Oh, I don't know if - well, it was a job.

[Not a hobby, they're never allowed hobbies. But implying that it'd just been a matter of work, and never personal enjoyment...that wouldn't be true.]

All the jobs we have are torture-related. Not all hands-on, of course, there's all the bureaucratic stuff. But that's the, uh...you've got more advancement opportunities if you are.